thanks for your reply, never thought of splitting the hotels but i think we could manage that, we are leaving san francisco early on the monday morning so i suppose we could stay in an airport hotel the night before to save money. the 4 areas, USW, USE, Embarcadero, or SOMA i think would be the most preferable as i think these are the places where the shopping is. I dont want to be doing a lot of hotel shifting, but i willing to make one or two moves if required. many thanks again for your reply. what do you think the next steps should be?