The prices I quoted are those I can find looking at a variety of sources including the hotel's own websites, the well known sites like Expedia, Travelocity, Orbitz, some Canadian travel sites like Itravel2000 and a few Europe based sites too. I can't remember which were refundable or not specifically but I know the best rate I saw for the Ramada, the $192, was a 21 day advance rate which was definitely not refundable. I have a hunch the PL 4* inventory for September at Gatwick may not be open yet. Maybe I should just start my bidding again in a month or so? I have been bidding continuously over the last month and at one time, I had the message the average rate for a 4* Gatwick is $148 and this week that message jumped to $186. Love this board by the way, found it yesterday while googling for bidding help and have already learned so much. Thanks.