hello, Below is what I did at PL yesterday, (having friends bid for me after my bids were rejected) I tried to bid 3 different time periods, at 1PM, 4PM, and 8PM 1PM - 4* 50 55 60 65 70 75 4PM - 4* 50 55 60 65 70 75 8PM - 4* 50 55 60 65 70 77 All of the above is a no go, PL kept on giving me that LowestFare.com page, asking me to go buy it from lowestFare.com, of course, i didnt do that! :) Do you think I should start with 55 as my starting point 2 days later? and think about this scenario, at 1PM, i tried with these bids, 50 55 60 65 70 75 -- got rejected at 1:20PM (using a different account), if i tried with the same bid sequence, 50 55 60 65 70 75 -- get rejected again. Does that mean, no matter at 1:30PM or 2PM, (my point is, shortly after you get rejected), if they rejected you 20 minutes ago, and if you use the same bid sequence with a different account, they will reject you again....b/c during that time period (I assume its 2-4 hours, just my guess), they most likely will not take that amount.. Do you think this analysis holds true? If you think I am overthinking about this whole bidding with PL thing...forgive me, I am a guy that likes to "beat the system" with my own knowledge...just like I like to review numbers on lottery or dice table and calculate the possibilities what are the better odds of winning..etc... anyway, i look forward to your answers! Thanks, Tak