Thanks, that's helpful in confirming some of my suspicions at least :-) Current non-opaque options are refundable $175 per night (inc tax) at the Mansfield and $115 per night (inc tax) at Hotel 31 in a room with shared bathroom, so I guess I'd want to do a little better than that to have a locked in rate. All the 2* and up hotel in MTE and MTW seem pretty good as far as reviews go (assuming I get a "normal" reported hotel) so I was concentrating on those zones. Will also be arriving and leaving via Penn Station, so somewhere closeish by taxiwise would be good. I guess I'd prefer not to risk shorter stays unless I was going to get a really good rate. The calender of wins shows 4* MTE hotel for $146 at the start of my dates and 3.5* MTE Roosevelt for $110. This stuff is tricky! :-)